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  Racial Insensitivity

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  "blue" lives matter!

  - sheriff david clarke at the rnc.

  this bs really makes my blood boil.

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  No, it doesn't.

  Real mature Simon. I post the statistics so we can have a meaningful discussion about unarmed shootings, use of force, and implicit bias - and this is how respond? Like a little child? "Not ugh".

  Time and time again I've given you a chance to raise your objections but instead you choose to remain willfully ignorant on the topic. This is getting tiresome and it's becoming blatantly clear you haven't taken the time to read a single one of these studies. Instead of addressing any of the research, you've instead chosen to just try to shout people down by way of attrition.

  The raw number of people shot doesn't matter

  Correct! You're finally getting it! It's not the raw number of people shot. It's the number of UNARMED people who are shot. Because their's a huge difference between shooting someone who is armed vs. shooting someone who is unarmed. And if you're willing to do the extra work you can be even more specific in our break down. The names of every person who was shot and the day it happened is included in the research. If - as you've proposed - you think black people go for officers guns and white people don't (a ridiculous proposition but one you've made none the less) you can subtract the number of black AND white persons who did this. Of course, the only way to balance out the statistics would be if 5 out of 6 black people went for the officers gun and NONE of the white people did.

  See Simon, some of us understand how statistics work. And some - like yourself - don't. There are numerous sites that teach a basic understanding of statistics which would enable you to carry on a more informed discussion on the matter.

  The study referenced several times indicates that there simply isn't the situation that you are pushing for.

  Be more specific. What "situation" am I pushing for? And which of the studies I linked doesn't indicate it?
  
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  Racial Insensitivity

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  "blue" lives matter!

  - sheriff david clarke at the rnc.

  this bs really makes my blood boil.

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  that incident was dreadful ... but it doesn't prove your claim.
  - Simon

  It certainly doesn't. Nor would I use it - in and of itself - to support my claim That's why professionals go out and conduct research so we can have informed opinions. And the research shows that black civilians are 21.1 percent more likely to have force (lethal and non lethal) used against them compared to white civilians with the same reported compliance behavior. It shows shows black people are far more likely to attract police attention than white people for identical behavior. It shows that a persons race statistically influences an officers decision to shoot. And the research shows shows that unarmed black people are 6 times more likely to be shot than an unarmed white person.

  These are the FACTS. If you want to debate the best way to interpret them or the best way to address this societal challenge I'm all ears. But you're claim that it's just "one swallow" or an "odd incident" doesn't stand.

  http://www.nber.org/papers/w22399

  http://fairandimpartialpolicing.com/docs/pob2.pdf

  http://faculty.chicagobooth.edu/bernd.wittenbrink/research/pdf/cpjw07.pdf

  https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings/
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  Racial Insensitivity

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  "blue" lives matter!

  - sheriff david clarke at the rnc.

  this bs really makes my blood boil.

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  Jehovah's Witnesses and racial prejudice by Werner Cohn

  by slimboyfat in

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  race is asserting itself as a problematic issue united states once more.

  i always thought jws had a relatively good track record on race.

  they preach a world without prejudice after all.

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  It's amazing how nothing sticks to the Teflon Watchtower. Everything is just hand waved away by - Jehovah is always refining his organisation. In five or six years even the UN scandal will be long enough back that it just wont matter.
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  Dreading the news this week

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  tens of thousands of protesters are expected to show up in cleveland this week for the republican national convention.

  muslim groups.

  mexican groups.

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  I'm just glad no one got shot.
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  Racial Insensitivity

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  "blue" lives matter!

  - sheriff david clarke at the rnc.

  this bs really makes my blood boil.

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  Keep repeating your incorrect stats as though they are true and ignore the study that takes all the factors into account that you claim to, but don't.
  - Simon

  You sound like Donald Trump. You just keep repeating the same nonsense over and over and over hoping it will stick. I've provided the statistics to you showing that unarmed black people are six times more likely to be shot. I provided the names of the individuals and the date they were shot. You then accused me saying I had "no evidence". I then provided you with the comprehensive database of news reports and public records that's been compiled.

  Simply saying "the stats are incorrect" is not an argument. It's a Trumpism

  
  

  Furthermore, I addressed your " study that takes all the factors into account". And it's very clear you didn't bother to read the paper. Because, once again, the only thing it says about unarmed persons is, "black civilians are 21.1 percent more likely to have force used against them compared to white civilians with the same reported compliance behavior."

  Which supports MY POSITION. Not yours.

  You don't have a basic understanding of the facts at hand nor any of the statistics and yet you continue to run around saying saying "it's not true it's not true - la la la la". You haven't addressed the statistics in EITHER of the studies nor have you addressed the points I've made about implicit bias.

  You haven't done your homework Simon and I'm calling you out on your BS. You want to continue to say I'm misrepresenting the stats? Fine, - prove it. Go into the research that's been done and show the figures I'm citing are wrong.
  
  But in the meantime - do us all a favor and stop claiming to know things you don't know.
  
  
  
  
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  Male Prostitutes in demand during RNC convention

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  among those making cleveland extra gay this week are male prostitutes who are in high demand among older, allegedly heterosexual male republican delegates.. the new york post reports: .

  i’ve seen 10 clients so far,” one male escort said.. “most of them were first-timers.

  you could tell they were nervous, but once they became more comfortable, they seemed to be having a good time.”.

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  Among those making Cleveland extra gay this week are male prostitutes who are in high demand among older, allegedly heterosexual male Republican delegates.

  The New York Post reports:

  “Business has been way better. I’ve seen 10 clients so far,” one male escort said.

  “Most of them were first-timers. You could tell they were nervous, but once they became more comfortable, they seemed to be having a good time.”

  Another escort said he had already earned $1,600 since Monday — over six times the amount he usually makes.

  “I normally only make $200 to $300, but I’ve been seeing lots of guys in hotels downtown,” he said, noting the boom in business near the Quicken Loans Arena.

  The clientele has included mostly married white men between the ages of 40 and 50, said another escort who’s seen eight johns so far.

  One escort added that he wasn’t surprised by the surge in business, saying, “The Republicans have a lot of delegates in the closet, let’s put it that way.”

  Also booming this week in Cleveland, is the traffic on Craigslist’s “men seeking men” personal ads. The Daily Dot reports:

  Many of the Craigslist ads were written in sado-masochistic language, with a particularly competitive streak running through them. Locals and attendees were ready to use, or be used, mercilessly.

  And while male escorts and MSM are experiencing a windfall thanks to the RNC, female prostitutes aren’t so lucky, as The Post points out:

  When contacted by The Post, females for hire said they’re making much less money than normal.

  “Has business been better for me? Honestly, no,” one woman said before abruptly hanging up the phone.

  http://www.towleroad.com/2016/07/rnc-gay/

  
  
  

  
  
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  Do you think any animals will ever reach human intelligence?

  by EndofMysteries in

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  if all life was truly random, then what happened that allowed humans to it's current intelligent state, do you think non humans could and will reach that in the future?

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  If you test the IQ of a Chimp at the level of a 4 year old human then they'll score 70 or 80. But if you test them at the level of an adult human they only score about 40.
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  Do you think any animals will ever reach human intelligence?

  by EndofMysteries in

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  if all life was truly random, then what happened that allowed humans to it's current intelligent state, do you think non humans could and will reach that in the future?

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  If by "intelligence" you mean the general sense of the word (the ability to reason, problem solve, understand abstractions, comprehend complex ideas, learn quickly, and learn from experience) than I would say apes, certain types of cetacean, and certain types of octopods are really the names in the game.

  But to get to "human level" I don't think cetaceans and octopods are likely to achieve this. As has already been pointed out, powerful brains require a lot of energy. And hominid intelligence really didn't take off until we started cooking our food (allowing us to extract more calories from our food) so we could power our big brains. I don't see a pathway to fire cetaceans or octopods unless they evolve to become land creatures.
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  Racial Insensitivity

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  "blue" lives matter!

  - sheriff david clarke at the rnc.

  this bs really makes my blood boil.

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  Saying, it's okay that more unarmed black people are shot than unarmed white people because "they could have been going for the officers gun" is NOT a meaningful rebuttal. Because just as there are some unarmed black people that go for an officers gun there are also some unarmed white people that go for the officers gun.

  You don't just get to subtract some ad hoc hypothetical number from the number of unarmed black people who are shot without ALSO subtracting a comparable ad hoc hypothetical number for the unarmed white people who are shot by the police. And if we did this, we would STILL end up with a figure showing unarmed black people are six times more likely to be shot by the police than unarmed white people.

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  Simon's point that black people have more interactions with the police is TRUE (good job Simon!). But stating that they're having more interactions because of criminal activity is FALSE (can't win them all). Rather, black people have more interactions with police because of Implicit Bias.

  As has been noted on this thread anecdotally, simply being a black man in a good neighborhood is enough for police to pull you over. I myself have also witnessed this first hand - and I live in a fairly liberal part of California. Last year I was pulled over seemingly without reason and, after giving my license and registration to the officer, I asked the officer for the reason of the stop. He said, and I'm quoting word for word here, "I noticed you had an African American juvenile sitting in the back seat."

  I explained that it was my friends teenage son whom I was giving a ride home and I was completely shocked he would pull me over for that. He said, "Well it's pretty weird that he would be hanging out with you guys."

  Crazy right? But this sort of thing isn't simply limited to anecdotal accounts. Implicit bias is a well studied phenomenon and clearly shows black people are far more likely to attract police attention than white people for identical behavior:

  http://fairandimpartialpolicing.com/docs/pob2.pdf

  It's also been shown that a persons race statistically influences an officers decision to shoot:

  http://faculty.chicagobooth.edu/bernd.wittenbrink/research/pdf/cpjw07.pdf

  But the Implicit Bias isn't just on cops either. We also know that us citizens are more likely to call the cops on black people than we are on white people. Simple Misfits noticed this after he locked his keys out of his car and called AAA a black tow truck driver came and tried open his car. Even though there was a big a tow truck there - the police still ended up getting called on driver. This experience prompted Simple Misfits to conduct a social experiment. While the video is kinda funny the results are pretty profound:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuyMuLGXxTs